On 06/02/2008, stuart bell <sailing1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Ooh it's a good job you didn't post that to another local LUG. You'd have had somebody tearing you apart fro laughing at another OS. I did this the other week (different subject matter but it was a downfall in Windows stuff) and certain members of that 'other' LUG thought it would be funny to try tearing me apart and flaming me. I didn't stand for it and fought back....pathetic idiots! Yes, I meant that, I was very angry at the flaming I got. -- ============================================== Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Staffordshire

On 06/02/2008, Kevanf1 <kevanf1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Kev, How did it cause such a fuss if you were simply reporting an XP irregularity? The purpose of such comments is to help others, perhaps to save them from a potential problem. This free flow of information is what makes these lists such a wonderful medium for education and enlightenment, I would never hesitate to pass on an observation concerning W*n or any other OS. As to flaming and personal attacks - well what can one say. That is totally unnecessary behaviour in any part of life. Stuart

Hi Stuart, On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 03:04:59PM +0000, stuart bell wrote: What Kevan isn't saying is that the fuss was caused because he repeated some rumour that he heard about the behaviour of some Windows software, using words like "woe" and "secret", without making any effort to verify what he was saying. When he was quite reasonably called on it and shown that what he said was incorrect, instead of just admitting the mistake, he went off the deep end and got upset about it. Obviously he has not yet calmed down and feels the need to misrepresent again, since as far as I am aware no one was having a go at him for "laughing at another OS" but instead correcting misleading information. I don't think that anyone thought it would be "funny" to do this either. I didnt see any flaming or personal attacks in the thread that Kevan is talking about. He was simply called on passing along incorrect information in a sensationalist manner, and if it got at all heated that was because Kevan was unable to see the problem with what he was doing. The list was sblug and the thread was about some behaviour of BBC's iplayer. Unfortunately the list archive is private, so only list members will be able to go back and look for themselves. Cheers, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting Encrypted mail welcome - keyid 0x604DE5DB

On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 15:54 +0000, Andy Smith wrote: Ha, and this list too. I don't know about everyone else, but often when I've Googled [1] for solutions to one of our server problems I've found the result in a mailing list archive - and fairly often a LUG archive. Keeping the archive hidden - as in the case of both Staffs and W----- (the un-named list refered to by the OP) means shutting others out from the knowledge shared here. [2] It's also a pain not being able to use Google to search just the archive of this LUG, when on a machine without a complete archive. [3] So, how about opening the LUG archive, Dave? Would anyone have any objections? - Richard [4] [1] Less evil search engines are available, but start that one in another thread, please :-/ [2] Yes, even Staffslug occasionally throws up something useful ;-P [3] Yes, I could log in, download the mbox file, and grep it, but this is hardly efficient is it? [4] Morris Minor Convertible for sale: http://www.goodgnus.org/mmconvertible4sale/ Okay not a footnote - call it a Google ad ;)

On 06/02/2008, Andy Smith <andy(a)lug.org.uk&gt; wrote: Without letting the argument spill over to this list, very few people 'check the facts' before posting on mailing lists anyway. Years of experience has taught me that most people see something on slashdot ect, have an inkling that its not been posted to their mailing list yet and 'bang it up there quick' before anyone else can. (Note the commas and read accordingly) OK I will be gracious and concede that, in hindsight, being able to read ALL the thread, it could be said that the information Kev was repeating was flawed however IMO the, "Shown the error of his ways", was not presented in the manner set out the paragraph above. Its dam easy to go look for information when you know what you are looking for and a few members of Wolves-Lug seem to take great pride spending time to find information to 'Nail you to the barn door with' as apposed to finding info to guide a person in the right direction. Hm, now I do need to tread carefully, I probably agree there was no laughter about OS's I also agree there was no 'laughter' at berating him, as such. I do however IMO think one or two took pleasure in it! Well I certainly did see some veiled personal attacks, maybe not many flames but defiantly some 'burning embers' was tossed his way. Just a couple of points for the record (Or Archive for that matter) Have you noticed how I have not used the word *You* once? most flames, personal assassinations and lynchings stem from the "You said", "You are" responses I've manged to respond to all the points in this mail and not the author. Simple rules of debate really which a lot of people don't seem to know or care about. Some people do not have as thick a skin as I do (Which you need for all those knives in the back) hence they get more upset than maybe they should. As for Wolves-Lug, I have been a member of that list for I think well over five years possibly longer (I'm not gonna research to find out) apart from the one odd year that I left to wander in the wilderness so I know all the old lags pretty well, I've not said anything here that I would not be happy to repeat there, a minority do tend to work on the 'point scoring premis' but thats *Community* for you. :-) -- Regards Dick Turpin http://www.cannon-linux.co.uk Arch Linux is an independent i686-optimized community distribution for intermediate and advanced Linux users. Utilising a Rolling Release System packages are regularly updated and an ISO release is just a snapshot to the stable packages at that time. So there's no need for a fresh install the command 'pacman –Syu' upgrades the whole system.

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 09:50:40AM +0000, Kevanf1 wrote: Yes you are so detached and above it all that weeks later you bring it up out of the blue on a completely different LUG and present it in a totally biased manner without giving any opportunity for people to read the archives and judge for themselves. There probably is some sort of medal available for this level of restraint, but I would place it in the performance art category. Andy

On 07/02/2008, Kevanf1 <kevanf1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: <ANNOYING HTML> *STOP MOANING PLEASE! This is a COMMUNITY LIST not a flame war! Please stop being so agressive and just let it be!* <END> -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: kris(a)softdel.net

On 07/02/2008, stuart bell <sailing1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Best way to deal with it Stuart/Kris :-) Any thoughts on my SuSE problem....Anybody? :-) -- ============================================== Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Staffordshire

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 10:06:22AM +0000, Kevanf1 wrote: I thought we had weeks ago until I read: "Ooh it's a good job you didn't post that to another local LUG. You'd have had somebody tearing you apart fro laughing at another OS. I did this the other week (different subject matter but it was a downfall in Windows stuff) and certain members of that 'other' LUG thought it would be funny to try tearing me apart and flaming me. I didn't stand for it and fought back....pathetic idiots! Yes, I meant that, I was very angry at the flaming I got." So yes, can we please put this to rest and leave it at that like adults or will I be reading another interesting work of fiction next week on another LUG list? Making coments like "pathetic idiots" is *not* the behaviour of someone who does not want to argue about it. Andy