Hi Everyone, Sorry for so many posts this evening, last one I promise. First of all, as I'm sure everyone is aware, Google have simplified their Privacy Policy and Terms of Service and applied them universally to most of their services. There is one particular paragraph in there which basically says... any data you submit into a Google service, although you still own it - you give irrevocable ultimate rights to it to Google. What I want to know and hopefully start a discussion about is: A) Is that enough to turn you away from Google? B) If you're a user of Google Mail, Calendar, etc... what alternatives do you use? Particularly interesting would be self-hosted open source solutions... but it is nice to hear about new/innovative upcoming websites too. In my opinion... I would like to move away from Google as soon as possible. I do however need to find a setup (preferably open source) that mimics the functionality of GMail, G Calendar... and allows syncing to mobile devices etc. Adam Sent from my mobile device. _______________________________________________ Staffslug mailing list Staffslug(a)staffslug.org.uk http://www.staffslug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/staffslug

On 2 February 2012 10:17, Thomas Molloy <beetyrootey(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote: > I have been moving to MS live for calendar and documents (its calendar > is superior to gmail as it can have fortnightly occurring events) and > i can get skydrive docs on my phone more easily then google docs. > > Not keen to move to hotmail for my email so might just sort out my own > mail server on my server but then ignore it due to the spam it will be > more then likely filled with. > > - Lderan > > On 2 February 2012 07:44, Adam Egan <adam.egan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Sorry for so many posts this evening, last one I promise. >> >> First of all, as I'm sure everyone is aware, Google have simplified their >> Privacy Policy and Terms of Service and applied them universally to most of >> their services. >> >> There is one particular paragraph in there which basically says... any data >> you submit into a Google service, although you still own it - you give >> irrevocable ultimate rights to it to Google. >> >> What I want to know and hopefully start a discussion about is: >> >> A) Is that enough to turn you away from Google? >> >> B) If you're a user of Google Mail, Calendar, etc... what alternatives do >> you use? Particularly interesting would be self-hosted open source >> solutions... but it is nice to hear about new/innovative upcoming websites >> too. >> >> In my opinion... I would like to move away from Google as soon as possible. >> I do however need to find a setup (preferably open source) that mimics the >> functionality of GMail, G Calendar... and allows syncing to mobile devices >> etc. Hello, I am feeling this too, however I will say that you will struggle to get a spam filter as good as GMail, you can do repeating events fortnightly, hourly, whatever with ease on gCal and what's worse is it's tied to Android like no other. I want to try migrating to my own mail system but the spam is just frustrating to say the least. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. www.krisd.eu _______________________________________________ Staffslug mailing list Staffslug(a)staffslug.org.uk http://www.staffslug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/staffslug

I want to try migrating to my own mail system but the spam is just frustrating to say the least.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Adam Egan <adam.egan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > There is one particular paragraph in there which basically says... any data > you submit into a Google service, although you still own it - you give > irrevocable ultimate rights to it to Google. > > > Hi All Just wanted to join in the discussion on this to try and better understand myself. I was looking for the section in the new terms and privacy that referred to the above rights and have presumed this comes from the Google Terms of Service in the "Your content in our services section" which states *When you upload or otherwise submit content to our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works * * * If this is is the case I do not think this is new and has been in many of the TOS for a long time. How I understand this is that it is for 'content' you upload and share for example: If you upload a video to youtube even if you are Lady Gaga and own your copyright you have to give a license to Google otherwise Youtube could not work effectively. Or another example If I upload my business details to Google publicly they can then use them on Google maps and other places in different formats etc But I don't think this applies to your private calendar information,email or documents in Google docs. This 'data' is not 'uploaded and shared' and Google requests no license and has no license over this private information. This would fall under the privacy policy where they state: *We do not share personal information with companies, organizations and individuals outside of Google* At the end of the day I am not legally qualified and I think a lot comes down to trust and the 'don't be evil' argument but as a commercial business it would not be in Google's interest to abuse it's users in this way. I would be interested on everyones views on this. In general I prefer Googles more transparent approach compared to other web companies and of course I like there significant support of open source projects. Although I am a 'Google Fan Boy' I think they could be many things they could do better including adoption and support for open standards in particular open document standards. Also there Data Liberation Front, although a great idea, could go even further. For full transparency my business is a Google Partner although I make little money through this way and my above comments are more from my personal use of Google products attached to this email address Phil Oakley Google+ http://gplus.to/philoakley _______________________________________________ Staffslug mailing list Staffslug(a)staffslug.org.uk http://www.staffslug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/staffslug