I have found the Ubuntu Lite that I had previously mentioned - especially for Russ :-) http://www.ubuntulite.org/ It is different to Xubuntu in that Ubuntu Lite uses the ICEwm instead of Xfce. I knew I hadn't dreamed it all up ;-))) -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR