Hi, When I was there, they where just introducing Visual Studio in a big way - the problem was they wanted everyone to use ASP.Net for web development, the problem being that to enable debugging the user had to be an admin on the server... as you can imagine Staffs School of Computing (as it was called back in the day ;) ) didn't really fancy the idea of 2000 students with administrator rights.... :) It would be amazing if we could put out a message on the internal email system (if they still use mailing lists internally) about the group.. how many people can we rescue from ASP.Net for their next web project? :) Thanks again, Chris -. -- Chris Williams http://imnotplayinganymore.com/ http://twitter.com/scampiuk http://facebook.com/chris.scampi.williams