3:19 p.m.
Just a quick one here. I'm going to attempt to write a few articles for the
site and was wondering if anyone had anything in particular they would like
covered?
~Jon
3:27 p.m.
2008/12/3 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
Just a quick one here. I'm going to attempt to write a few
articles for the
site and was wondering if anyone had anything in particular they would like
covered?
~Jon
How about something on the vagaries of why some distro's will install
perfectly when another stubbornly refuses? I've never managed to
install Red Hat on any PC. Yet Mandrake used to and now Mandriva will
without any hassle. Sabayon is another that will not install yet
something like Slackware is fine....
Nope, not looking for a solution really just interested in the
experiences of others in this respect :-)
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3:58 p.m.
How about something on the vagaries of why some distro's will
install
perfectly when another stubbornly refuses? I've never managed to
install Red Hat on any PC. Yet Mandrake used to and now Mandriva will
without any hassle. Sabayon is another that will not install yet
learn how to configure a kernel and you might be able to!!!
10:11 a.m.
2008/12/3 Andrew Edwards <andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>:
> How about something on the vagaries of why some distro's will
install
> perfectly when another stubbornly refuses? I've never managed to
> install Red Hat on any PC. Yet Mandrake used to and now Mandriva will
> without any hassle. Sabayon is another that will not install yet
learn how to configure a kernel and you might be able to!!!
That's just it, life is way too short Andrew. Go back 7 or 8 years
and I was willing to mess around and learn alsorts to get a distro up
and running. I beta tested for Xandros for heaven's sake.....
Nowadays I couldn't give a flying toot. If a distro won't work for me
then it gets ditched. I have way too many more important things going
on than to faff around with a faulty kernel.
:-)
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11:16 a.m.
That's your problem kevan... you don't realise that things YOU have
problems with can most likely be the fault of the kernel.
The kernel is the linux kevan, THE KERNEL IS WHAT MAKES IT LINUX.
So don't moan about not being able to get things to work when you have
been using distro after distro without learning basic configuration
procedures for the DAMN LINUX ITSELF!
IF you REALLY can't do it, add everything and see what sticks
(genkernel does this for example... it'll be slower, cause it wont be
optimized, but it'll probably work!!!!)
Different kernels will contain different modules to make hardware work
- why not read the changelog or even google for what you need.
pull your head out of the sand and read a simple wiki post rather than
blaming the devs all the time!
better yet RTFM
http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/tuning/kernelconfig.shtml
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/genkernel.xml
http://www.faqs.org/docs/lnag/lnag_kernel_upgrade.html
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/guide-to-2.6-kernel-upg...
http://linux.about.com/od/linux101/l/blnewbie_atoc.htm
Andrew
2008/12/5 Kevanf1 <kevanf1(a)gmail.com>:
2008/12/3 Andrew Edwards <andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>:
>> How about something on the vagaries of why some distro's will install
>> perfectly when another stubbornly refuses? I've never managed to
>> install Red Hat on any PC. Yet Mandrake used to and now Mandriva will
>> without any hassle. Sabayon is another that will not install yet
>
>
> learn how to configure a kernel and you might be able to!!!
>
That's just it, life is way too short Andrew. Go back 7 or 8 years
and I was willing to mess around and learn alsorts to get a distro up
and running. I beta tested for Xandros for heaven's sake.....
Nowadays I couldn't give a flying toot. If a distro won't work for me
then it gets ditched. I have way too many more important things going
on than to faff around with a faulty kernel.
:-)
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12:02 p.m.
2008/12/5 Andrew Edwards <andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>:
That's your problem kevan... you don't realise that things
YOU have
problems with can most likely be the fault of the kernel.
Harsh.
So don't moan about not being able to get things to work when you
have
been using distro after distro without learning basic configuration
procedures for the DAMN LINUX ITSELF!
Is that the same advice you'd give my grandmother or my brother who
know nothing about computers, but have trouble installing some distros
on their PC?
Al.
12:08 p.m.
> So don't moan about not being able to get things to work when
you have
> been using distro after distro without learning basic configuration
> procedures for the DAMN LINUX ITSELF!
>
Is that the same advice you'd give my grandmother or my brother who
know nothing about computers, but have trouble installing some distros
on their PC?
if they'd been unsuccessfully trying to master linux for the majority
of a decade, yes, yes i would
Andrew
12:54 p.m.
I think your coming over as a little harsh here. Sure he distro hops but he
does have a valid point. If I needed a saw to cut something and the one I
was using didnt work right I'd try another. Not try to modify the saw to do
the job. For a lot of people a computer is a tool for others its all about
the tinkering. whatever you do is upto you but please dont go scolding
people openly for doing something their way.
~Jon
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Andrew Edwards
<andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>wrote:
>> So don't moan about not being able to get things to work
when you have
>> been using distro after distro without learning basic configuration
>> procedures for the DAMN LINUX ITSELF!
>>
>
> Is that the same advice you'd give my grandmother or my brother who
> know nothing about computers, but have trouble installing some distros
> on their PC?
>
if they'd been unsuccessfully trying to master linux for the majority
of a decade, yes, yes i would
Andrew
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1:07 p.m.
Not that I condone the sharp replies below, but I did find some
insensibilities in Kevan's replies.
To extend your own analogy.. If your saw wasn't working, wouldn't it be
a better idea to find out why it was the incorrect saw for the task,
/before/ blindly buying another that may not do the job either?
From what I've seen, Kevan seems to reject any offer of diagnosis with
a carpet 'I'm too busy' response. We all have our lives, but this is a
little backwards: blindly jumping from distro to distro, in the *hope*
that it will solve all your woes, must also be extremely time-consuming.
With a little help in identifying the problem, he may have an answer
sooner rather than later. It really isn't the fault of the distributions
if Linux doesn't 'just work' with every piece of hardware out there,
because we should all know just how difficult that can be.
So I can see Andrew's frustration, but there's a subtle way to approach
someone's methods and over-use of the caps lock/exclamation mark isn't it.
Tom
Jonothon Nihill wrote:
I think your coming over as a little harsh here. Sure he distro hops
but
he does have a valid point. If I needed a saw to cut something and the
one I was using didnt work right I'd try another. Not try to modify the
saw to do the job. For a lot of people a computer is a tool for others
its all about the tinkering. whatever you do is upto you but please dont
go scolding people openly for doing something their way.
~Jon
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Andrew Edwards
<andrew(a)andrewedwards.name <mailto:andrew@andrewedwards.name>> wrote:
>> So don't moan about not being able to get things to work when
you have
>> been using distro after distro without learning basic configuration
>> procedures for the DAMN LINUX ITSELF!
>>
>
> Is that the same advice you'd give my grandmother or my brother who
> know nothing about computers, but have trouble installing some
distros
> on their PC?
>
if they'd been unsuccessfully trying to master linux for the majority
of a decade, yes, yes i would
Andrew
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Tom Hill wrote:
So I can see Andrew's frustration, but there's a subtle way
to approach
someone's methods and over-use of the caps lock/exclamation mark isn't it.
I will continue to use Caps lock in the vain it is meant, I am neither
for or against anyone but I will not stand by and see deliberate
'personal' attacks regardless of who's fault it is.
In my 47 years of experience I have come to the opinion that responses
worded in the manner it was require a firm a response I also view that
post as bullying.
Nobody deserves to be spoken to that way by anyone whatever the reason
and of all places in medium where we are all supposed to be friends
together, nobody pays any money towards it and it is a service offered
to anyone.
If an idiot (And I'm not saying Kevan is an idiot) is not welcome here
or on any mailing list and cannot be treated in a civil, adult mature
manner then I hope Linux dies tomorrow.
It makes me sick, everyone was crying two days ago how quiet this list
was things start moving again and look what happens? I'm beginning to
wish it had stayed quiet.We've just had a new member what a good example
of this small community we have given him, I bet he will have a real
panic attack if he needs some help quick and he knows in his heart of
hearts its a really simple thing.
1:39 p.m.
well as the new member i find it slightly amusing, but also a bit sad too. but then i also
found the response from someone when pre-arranged IRC meet was suggested was quite
bewildering, something about it not being on their terms LOL.
the wonderful thing about linux is you can choose you level of involvement now, you can
distro-hop til you find something that is easy as clicking an install button, but then on
that very same o/s you can learn exactly whats going on with you system and choose to see
things on that level.
and i wouldn't be afraid to ask for help on here, but i probably would goto
UbuntuForums first, as thats just where i usually go when googling doesn't give any
reward simply for the fact that there are so many people on there, so generally you get
good rounded answers. also, i much prefer the forum format than mailing lists.
sim
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:31:05 +0000
From: dick_turpin(a)archlinux.us
To: staffslug(a)staffslug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Staffslug] Articles for website.
Tom Hill wrote:
> So I can see Andrew's frustration, but there's a subtle way to approach
> someone's methods and over-use of the caps lock/exclamation mark isn't it.
>
I will continue to use Caps lock in the vain it is meant, I am neither
for or against anyone but I will not stand by and see deliberate
'personal' attacks regardless of who's fault it is.
In my 47 years of experience I have come to the opinion that responses
worded in the manner it was require a firm a response I also view that
post as bullying.
Nobody deserves to be spoken to that way by anyone whatever the reason
and of all places in medium where we are all supposed to be friends
together, nobody pays any money towards it and it is a service offered
to anyone.
If an idiot (And I'm not saying Kevan is an idiot) is not welcome here
or on any mailing list and cannot be treated in a civil, adult mature
manner then I hope Linux dies tomorrow.
It makes me sick, everyone was crying two days ago how quiet this list
was things start moving again and look what happens? I'm beginning to
wish it had stayed quiet.We've just had a new member what a good example
of this small community we have given him, I bet he will have a real
panic attack if he needs some help quick and he knows in his heart of
hearts its a really simple thing.
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1:46 p.m.
you have no sense of order in your life LOL
i just find it much easier to keep track of things in the forum format, so you are FAIL
sim
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:43:24 +0000
From: dick_turpin(a)archlinux.us
To: staffslug(a)staffslug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Staffslug] Articles for website.
syed ali wrote:
> i much prefer the forum format than mailing lists.
I hate forums and prefer lists. Quick start attacking me ;-)
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New subject: Forum or List (Was Articles for website.)
syed ali wrote:
you have no sense of order in your life LOL
i just find it much easier to keep track of things in the forum
format, so you are FAIL
Close but no cigar, threaded mail is the way forward I tell
ya,
especially if you use Google Mail you have your very own archive which
you can pull that email back from 20 years ago and say "Remember when
you said this?" (:Evil)
Plus with forums I always seem to miss loads, have to spend 4 hours
clicking "Next" "Next".
But you see, as I said, Freedom of Choice :-)
1:58 p.m.
New subject: Forum or List (Was Articles for website.)
i just find separate sections/threads, in fact just having a wholly separate site just
more ordered for me.
also a well ordered forum you shouldn't have to click next, it should just goto the
first unread post you have in the thread.
sim
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:54:06 +0000
From: dick_turpin(a)archlinux.us
To: staffslug(a)staffslug.org.uk
Subject: [Staffslug] Forum or List (Was Articles for website.)
syed ali wrote:
> you have no sense of order in your life LOL
>
> i just find it much easier to keep track of things in the forum
> format, so you are FAIL
Close but no cigar, threaded mail is the way forward I tell ya,
especially if you use Google Mail you have your very own archive which
you can pull that email back from 20 years ago and say "Remember when
you said this?" (:Evil)
Plus with forums I always seem to miss loads, have to spend 4 hours
clicking "Next" "Next".
But you see, as I said, Freedom of Choice :-)
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New subject: Forum or List (Was Articles for website.)
syed ali wrote:
i just find separate sections/threads, in fact just having a wholly
separate site just more ordered for me.
also a well ordered forum you shouldn't have to click next, it should
just goto the first unread post you have in the thread.
Not when you're looking
for the earlier post to trip someone up with ;-)
(Ooh did I say that? Forget everything I just said)
1:52 p.m.
Well I must admit that as someone who's been on this list for a number
of months it gets tedious recieving all the emails but it is nice when
you get a good one.
Just a polite personal request (that will probably get shot down) but
can we be a bit more harmonious guys so that my phone isn't always
vibrating with an angry email.
Also i'm with Sim. Horses for courses...use what's right for you. By
all means try lots but be prepared that you might find a distro that's
right for you. Or not lol!
Joe Z
On 5 Dec 2008, at 13:39, syed ali <simta(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
well as the new member i find it slightly amusing, but also a bit
sad too. but then i also found the response from someone when pre-
arranged IRC meet was suggested was quite bewildering, something
about it not being on their terms LOL.
the wonderful thing about linux is you can choose you level of
involvement now, you can distro-hop til you find something that is
easy as clicking an install button, but then on that very same o/s
you can learn exactly whats going on with you system and choose to
see things on that level.
and i wouldn't be afraid to ask for help on here, but i probably
would goto UbuntuForums first, as thats just where i usually go when
googling doesn't give any reward simply for the fact that there are
so many people on there, so generally you get good rounded answers.
also, i much prefer the forum format than mailing lists.
sim
> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:31:05 +0000
> From: dick_turpin(a)archlinux.us
> To: staffslug(a)staffslug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Staffslug] Articles for website.
>
> Tom Hill wrote:
> > So I can see Andrew's frustration, but there's a subtle way to
approach
> > someone's methods and over-use of the caps lock/exclamation mark
isn't it.
> >
> I will continue to use Caps lock in the vain it is meant, I am
neither
> for or against anyone but I will not stand by and see deliberate
> 'personal' attacks regardless of who's fault it is.
>
> In my 47 years of experience I have come to the opinion that
responses
> worded in the manner it was require a firm a response I also view
that
> post as bullying.
> Nobody deserves to be spoken to that way by anyone whatever the
reason
> and of all places in medium where we are all supposed to be friends
> together, nobody pays any money towards it and it is a service
offered
> to anyone.
>
> If an idiot (And I'm not saying Kevan is an idiot) is not welcome
here
> or on any mailing list and cannot be treated in a civil, adult
mature
> manner then I hope Linux dies tomorrow.
>
> It makes me sick, everyone was crying two days ago how quiet this
list
> was things start moving again and look what happens? I'm beginning
to
> wish it had stayed quiet.We've just had a new member what a good
example
> of this small community we have given him, I bet he will have a real
> panic attack if he needs some help quick and he knows in his heart
of
> hearts its a really simple thing.
>
>
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and i wouldn't be afraid to ask for help on here, but i probably
would goto
UbuntuForums first, as thats just where i usually go when googling doesn't
give any reward simply for the fact that there are so many people on there,
so generally you get good rounded answers. also, i much prefer the forum
format than mailing lists.
Sim,
I hope you do post on here, if you ever have an actual problem which
is blocking you from proceeding then by all means post.
I personally wont scald you with hot water for not knowing, and I will
do my best to help or flag you in the right direction.
A
3:15 p.m.
dick_turpin wrote:
Tom Hill wrote:
> So I can see Andrew's frustration, but there's a subtle way to approach
> someone's methods and over-use of the caps lock/exclamation mark isn't it.
>
I will continue to use Caps lock in the vain it is meant, I am neither
for or against anyone but I will not stand by and see deliberate
'personal' attacks regardless of who's fault it is.
My apologies, but I wasn't referring to you. Just Andrew's original
e-mail of rage.
And he's since apologised, so.. Peace is restored, for the time being.
Tom
4:23 p.m.
Ok guys, I'm not going to take offence. I did the right thing and
moved away from the keyboard. Actually I went and did some more
catching up with my viewing of Stargate Atlantis :-)
Now, what I have been saying on here about various distro's simply not
working for me is purely becuase I can say it on here. Normally
without fear of having somebody saying RTFM... hmmm, Andrew :-) I
have read the * manual many times in the years I have been using
Linux. I started out with Linux in about either 1996 or 1997 I forget
now. I have read numerous books, magazines, wiki articles, Linux
forums you name it. I am the sort of person who can take in some
stuff and it works, it goes into the old grey matter. Other bits
simply do not sink in no matter hwo any time I try to go over it.
Hence my oft repeated comment nowadays of life is too short. Hey,
blame it on my age if you wish I am fast approaching 50 and there are
more important things in my life that sitting hacking a Linux kernel.
I'd rather leave that to the younger guys with far more energy than
me. This isn't an excuse and I am not looking for sympathy but,
please remember I'm disabled and there are days (weeks) when I can't
even get out of bed. On the days that I can I really do not want to
sit at a PC trying to understand why a distro will not load for me.
I'd rather get the message out that there are problems and I will then
move onto something that does work for me.
For the record I have had consistently good results using SuSE from
9.1 up to the last (not latest as I haven't tried it) version of
Kubuntu. I've even tried Ubuntu with it sGnome interface and I do
quite like it.
This is what I want form a Linux distro and what I suspect a lot of
others want. I want it to work for me without me having to faff
around and delving into various configuration files. Yes, I can do
this and have many, many times in the past. I have loaded modules
into the kernel. I don't want to have to do this anymore. Is it
wrong of me to wish for this?
So, why don't I want ot have to delve into the kernel anymore? Easy,
I don't have time. I'm too busy helping my community and many others
up and down the country to recycle stuff. I am heavily involved with
Freecycle and that takes up a lot of my time.
So, please forgive me for simply wanting to use Linux for what it is
designed for. That is runing a PC :-)
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7:55 p.m.
2008/12/5 dick_turpin <dick_turpin(a)archlinux.us>:
Tom Hill wrote:
> So I can see Andrew's frustration, but there's a subtle way to approach
> someone's methods and over-use of the caps lock/exclamation mark isn't it.
>
I will continue to use Caps lock in the vain it is meant, I am neither
for or against anyone but I will not stand by and see deliberate
'personal' attacks regardless of who's fault it is.
In my 47 years of experience I have come to the opinion that responses
worded in the manner it was require a firm a response I also view that
post as bullying.
Nobody deserves to be spoken to that way by anyone whatever the reason
and of all places in medium where we are all supposed to be friends
together, nobody pays any money towards it and it is a service offered
to anyone.
If an idiot (And I'm not saying Kevan is an idiot) is not welcome here
or on any mailing list and cannot be treated in a civil, adult mature
manner then I hope Linux dies tomorrow.
It makes me sick, everyone was crying two days ago how quiet this list
was things start moving again and look what happens? I'm beginning to
wish it had stayed quiet.We've just had a new member what a good example
of this small community we have given him, I bet he will have a real
panic attack if he needs some help quick and he knows in his heart of
hearts its a really simple thing.
"" -=-
"In my 47 years of experience I have come to the opinion that
responses......." 47 years? So what were you doing for the other twenty yer
miserable ol' git? ROTFLMAO ( upper case)
Stuart :-))
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2008/12/5 stuart bell <sailing1(a)gmail.com>:
2008/12/5 dick_turpin <dick_turpin(a)archlinux.us>:
> Tom Hill wrote:
>> So I can see Andrew's frustration, but there's a subtle way to approach
>> someone's methods and over-use of the caps lock/exclamation mark isn't
it.
>>
> I will continue to use Caps lock in the vain it is meant, I am neither
> for or against anyone but I will not stand by and see deliberate
> 'personal' attacks regardless of who's fault it is.
>
> In my 47 years of experience I have come to the opinion that responses
> worded in the manner it was require a firm a response I also view that
> post as bullying.
> Nobody deserves to be spoken to that way by anyone whatever the reason
> and of all places in medium where we are all supposed to be friends
> together, nobody pays any money towards it and it is a service offered
> to anyone.
>
> If an idiot (And I'm not saying Kevan is an idiot) is not welcome here
> or on any mailing list and cannot be treated in a civil, adult mature
> manner then I hope Linux dies tomorrow.
>
> It makes me sick, everyone was crying two days ago how quiet this list
> was things start moving again and look what happens? I'm beginning to
> wish it had stayed quiet.We've just had a new member what a good example
> of this small community we have given him, I bet he will have a real
> panic attack if he needs some help quick and he knows in his heart of
> hearts its a really simple thing.
"" -=-
> "In my 47 years of experience I have come to the opinion that
responses......." 47 years? So what were you doing for the other twenty yer
miserable ol' git? ROTFLMAO ( upper case)
What the hell kind of mailing list user shouts RTFM at someone, "Read
the fecking manual"? This is a bloody community mailing list, nothing
to do with flaming other users because they don't have the time/ skill
to mess with the Kernel. There has been some horrific examples of what
people can be when they get big headed. I agree with what Pete said,
this is nothing of an example to the new member. You need to seriously
stop and think before you post hateful comments to people on the
internet.
I am ashamed to be a member of a mailing list that has users that post
comments like those that I have read above.
Some people need to sort their attitude out, I am ever so sorry that
you had to see this Sim/ any other nice member of the List.
-- Kris
1:05 a.m.
Kris Douglas wrote:
What the hell kind of mailing list user shouts RTFM at someone,
"Read
the fecking manual"? This is a bloody community mailing list, nothing
to do with flaming other users because they don't have the time/ skill
to mess with the Kernel. There has been some horrific examples of what
people can be when they get big headed. I agree with what Pete said,
this is nothing of an example to the new member. You need to seriously
stop and think before you post hateful comments to people on the
internet.
I am ashamed to be a member of a mailing list that has users that post
comments like those that I have read above.
Some people need to sort their attitude out, I am ever so sorry that
you had to see this Sim/ any other nice member of the List.
-- Kris
I'm sure you had quite a few emotional reactions, too, as evidenced above.
Most importantly though, this was over hours ago. Move along, there's
nothing to see here.
Tom
4:35 p.m.
I'd like to echo Tom's sentiment and please ask everybody to move on.
Learn the lesson where it's needed and let's all get back to being
friends agian please.
Just to bring us back on track a bit more I have some good news. I
went through some of my old live disks last night and they all work
fine. I've even had both Sabayon and Fedora load!!!!!! I've never
had Fedora (or R/H) load before even though I've tried them many
times. Again, I can only repeat that the only thing that has been
changed hardware wise is that I am now using a Thomson 4 port plus
wireless (this PC is wired to one of the ethernet ports) router. The
NIC and everything is the same and is actually the one built into the
mobo.
I think it's worthwhile noting this change of events as we all too
often blame something like built in hardware such as a NIC when it amy
not be that after all when we have problems. For the record, the old
router is a D-Link 504 II.
Now, is there a live BSD distro? Andrew, you're the BSD man here do
you know? I'd like to try one just for the sake of it really :-)
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4:39 p.m.
Now, is there a live BSD distro? Andrew, you're the BSD man
here do
you know? I'd like to try one just for the sake of it really :-)
http://livecd.sourceforge.net/
6:56 p.m.
2008/12/6 Andrew Edwards <andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>:
> Now, is there a live BSD distro? Andrew, you're the BSD man
here do
> you know? I'd like to try one just for the sake of it really :-)
>
http://livecd.sourceforge.net/
Ta :-)
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9:16 p.m.
Very nice I was wondering if such a thing existed, Thanks for posting it :)
~Jon
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Kevanf1 <kevanf1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2008/12/6 Andrew Edwards <andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>:
>> Now, is there a live BSD distro? Andrew, you're the BSD man here do
>> you know? I'd like to try one just for the sake of it really :-)
>>
>
> http://livecd.sourceforge.net/
>
Ta :-)
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11:33 p.m.
2008/12/6 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
Very nice I was wondering if such a thing existed, Thanks for posting
it :)
~Jon
Quite co-incidentally I flicked a couple of pages into the latest
Linux Format. On the Distrowatch pages there is a new BSD version
that is only on a live CD :-) I'll take a look at it tomorrow and
post a link.
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7:40 p.m.
I'm intrested in giving bsd of some kind a go. I've heard lots about it but
not have the chance to try it
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Kevanf1 <kevanf1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2008/12/6 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
> Very nice I was wondering if such a thing existed, Thanks for posting it
:)
>
>
> ~Jon
>
Quite co-incidentally I flicked a couple of pages into the latest
Linux Format. On the Distrowatch pages there is a new BSD version
that is only on a live CD :-) I'll take a look at it tomorrow and
post a link.
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10:39 a.m.
2008/12/7 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
I'm intrested in giving bsd of some kind a go. I've heard
lots about it but
not have the chance to try it
Well.... BSDanywhere is really a system rescue disk rather than being
meant as a full blown use every day distro. That's what they say
anyway :-) From what I've seen there are three that you might like to
try. PC BSD is aimed at a full PC desktop experience while there is
also OpenBSD and FreeBSD.
Sorry, I don't have any links :-(
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10:42 a.m.
Well.... BSDanywhere is really a system rescue disk rather than
being
meant as a full blown use every day distro. That's what they say
anyway :-) From what I've seen there are three that you might like to
try. PC BSD is aimed at a full PC desktop experience while there is
also OpenBSD and FreeBSD.
Sorry, I don't have any links :-(
www.pcbsd.org/
www.freebsd.org/
www.openbsd.org/
10:49 a.m.
Thanks for the links. I will give freebsd a try. how hard is it to get
installed and up and running?
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Andrew Edwards
<andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>wrote:
> Well.... BSDanywhere is really a system rescue disk rather than
being
> meant as a full blown use every day distro. That's what they say
> anyway :-) From what I've seen there are three that you might like to
> try. PC BSD is aimed at a full PC desktop experience while there is
> also OpenBSD and FreeBSD.
>
> Sorry, I don't have any links :-(
www.pcbsd.org/
www.freebsd.org/
www.openbsd.org/
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12:08 p.m.
I have a problem reading huge amounts of text. If the installer is anything
like debian's then I will be fine.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Andrew Edwards
<andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>wrote:
> Thanks for the links. I will give freebsd a try. how hard is it
to get
> installed and up and running?
>
it's not hard if you can follow the install guide
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12:15 p.m.
I brought one when I went on holiday, once to look smart on the plane. Other
than that I managed fine with most linux distros and can read small/medium
amounts of text.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Edwards
<andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>wrote:
> I have a problem reading huge amounts of text. If the installer
is
anything
> like debian's then I will be fine.
>
be careful not to buy a broadsheet newspaper ;)
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12:30 p.m.
2008/12/8 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
I brought one when I went on holiday, once to look smart on the
plane. Other
than that I managed fine with most linux distros and can read small/medium
amounts of text.
If I recall correctly (it's been about 12 months since I tried a BSD
full install to HDD) PC-BSD is probably the most friendly install.
The others are no harder than a Linux distro from about 12 to 24
months ago. BSD has ben steadily getting better and better with all
things and is close to being on par with Linux so the installers are
probably much improved now too.
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12:33 p.m.
Nice thanks just need the time now to try it
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Kevanf1 <kevanf1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2008/12/8 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
> I brought one when I went on holiday, once to look smart on the plane.
Other
> than that I managed fine with most linux distros and can read
small/medium
> amounts of text.
>
If I recall correctly (it's been about 12 months since I tried a BSD
full install to HDD) PC-BSD is probably the most friendly install.
The others are no harder than a Linux distro from about 12 to 24
months ago. BSD has ben steadily getting better and better with all
things and is close to being on par with Linux so the installers are
probably much improved now too.
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1:41 p.m.
Nice thanks just need the time now to try it
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Kevanf1 <kevanf1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/12/8 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
> > I brought one when I went on holiday, once to look smart on the plane.
> Other
> > than that I managed fine with most linux distros and can read
> small/medium
> > amounts of text.
> >
>
> If I recall correctly (it's been about 12 months since I tried a BSD
> full install to HDD) PC-BSD is probably the most friendly install.
> The others are no harder than a Linux distro from about 12 to 24
> months ago. BSD has ben steadily getting better and better with all
> things and is close to being on par with Linux so the installers are
> probably much improved now too.
>
>
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Hello all,
If someone has already said this (oops). But was thinking about the
articles (as you do).
If we make up a wish list, then we can at least try and put something
together?
Dave
2:23 p.m.
I have one on money saving (energy saving... though i hate that term
and idea with a passion, i'm willing to save some cash!) which i wrote
a few weeks ago...
I'll also write one about developments of wireless within linux if
anyone's interested?
I'm willing to put together some thoughts on KDE4.2 beta (so
different) and the direction of the linux desktop in the next year...
Also - java tools (jdk) in linux, how to change the jdk, how to get it
working correctly (with 1.6 code) blah blah...
I'm also willing to take suggestions on an article too, simon (is out
there somewhere) mentioned a nice firefox plugin called greasemonkey
which allows javascript changes on the client end of websites - i'm
going to put together a piece for that after i've ripped it apart
will have to be next week though as this week is deadline week!
Dave, we could do with developing our own site with blogs for these
"thoughts" i recently took a look at wolveslug's site and i like their
blogging idea "planet" - have you checked it out?
http://www.planetplanet.org/
I might also be willing to design a new site for the lug, but we'd
need better specification of what is wanted first.
How about a site design meet sometime in the next couple of months?
Just thoughts,
Andrew
On 09/12/2008, Dave <dave(a)staffslug.org.uk> wrote:
> Nice thanks just need the time now to try it
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Kevanf1 <kevanf1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 2008/12/8 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
>> > I brought one when I went on holiday, once to look smart on the plane.
>> Other
>> > than that I managed fine with most linux distros and can read
>> small/medium
>> > amounts of text.
>> >
>>
>> If I recall correctly (it's been about 12 months since I tried a BSD
>> full install to HDD) PC-BSD is probably the most friendly install.
>> The others are no harder than a Linux distro from about 12 to 24
>> months ago. BSD has ben steadily getting better and better with all
>> things and is close to being on par with Linux so the installers are
>> probably much improved now too.
>>
>>
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>> Linux user #373362
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Hello all,
If someone has already said this (oops). But was thinking about the
articles (as you do).
If we make up a wish list, then we can at least try and put something
together?
Dave
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Not that I condone the sharp replies below, but I did find some
insensibilities in Kevan's replies.
To extend your own analogy.. If your saw wasn't working, wouldn't it be
a better idea to find out why it was the incorrect saw for the task,
/before/ blindly buying another that may not do the job either?
From what I've seen, Kevan seems to reject any offer of diagnosis with
a carpet 'I'm too busy' response. We all have our lives, but this is a
little backwards: blindly jumping from distro to distro, in the *hope*
that it will solve all your woes, must also be extremely time-consuming.
With a little help in identifying the problem, he may have an answer
sooner rather than later. It really isn't the fault of the distributions
if Linux doesn't 'just work' with every piece of hardware out there,
because we should all know just how difficult that can be.
So I can see Andrew's frustration, but there's a subtle way to approach
someone's methods and over-use of the caps lock/exclamation mark isn't it.
Tom,
you're right I was venting frustration... I was wrong to do so
basically I just think that in order to make an old "tool" work (to
follow the analogy) you should research the right applications to run
it - an older kernel will always be available on the archive list and
you can't blame developers for wanting to keep their distributions
moving forward and in competition with alternatives - i'm sure you can
quote Linus on that as he remains involved in the kernel
development...
the kernel isn't that hard to configure - and i'd have thought it
would be right up someone like kevan's street.. you select the
hardware you have, select what you want to include and bang - get it
running faster, more efficiently on older hardware etc etc
fedora is a cutting edge distribution and if kevan does not have the
tools to run it, it should be clear that the hardware is at fault - i
would suggest kevan would probably be better off running one
distribution which is highly configurable - as he never seems to be
happy with the result of any particular one... the time spent
configuring it to work and learning about the system would pay
enormous dividend
Apologies,
Andrew
12:49 p.m.
Alan Pope wrote:
2008/12/5 Andrew Edwards <andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>:
> That's your problem kevan... you don't realise that things YOU have
> problems with can most likely be the fault of the kernel.
>
>
Harsh.
And a personal attack, WHY?
> So don't moan about not being able to get things to work when you have
> been using distro after distro without learning basic configuration
> procedures for the DAMN LINUX ITSELF!
>
>
Is that the same advice you'd give my grandmother or my brother who
know nothing about computers, but have trouble installing some distros
on their PC?
Al.
Or better still offer to help but of course its easier to belittle a
grown man in a public forum that can be accessed by anyone through the
archives.
True Kevan does get through a number of Distro's but then thats the
philosophy of Linux is it not? Freedom of Choice and what other reason
is a mailing list or forum for other than to seek help from someone that
'knows'?
Kevan has some right old crap for hardware the fun for him is getting
Linux to stick by its initial statements; Quote: "Linux can give you're
old hardware a new lease of life" Kevan (Popey too I think) and I have
been using Linux for many years now we remember the days of frustration
getting that graphics card to work, the problem these days is we are the
forgotten pioneers, Linux has moved on, most recent distro's only run on
newish hardware for god sake openSUSE 11.1 requires 1GB of memory WTF is
all that about?
So you keep faffing about Kev if I get fed up with requests or boring
stuff there is a simple solution IGNORE THE THREAD works for me.
12:56 p.m.
Nice post dickturpin. attitudes like this need to be stamped out on here.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM, dick_turpin <dick_turpin(a)archlinux.us>wrote:
Alan Pope wrote:
> 2008/12/5 Andrew Edwards <andrew(a)andrewedwards.name>:
>
>> That's your problem kevan... you don't realise that things YOU have
>> problems with can most likely be the fault of the kernel.
>>
>>
>
> Harsh.
>
And a personal attack, WHY?
>
>> So don't moan about not being able to get things to work when you have
>> been using distro after distro without learning basic configuration
>> procedures for the DAMN LINUX ITSELF!
>>
>>
>
> Is that the same advice you'd give my grandmother or my brother who
> know nothing about computers, but have trouble installing some distros
> on their PC?
>
> Al.
>
Or better still offer to help but of course its easier to belittle a
grown man in a public forum that can be accessed by anyone through the
archives.
True Kevan does get through a number of Distro's but then thats the
philosophy of Linux is it not? Freedom of Choice and what other reason
is a mailing list or forum for other than to seek help from someone that
'knows'?
Kevan has some right old crap for hardware the fun for him is getting
Linux to stick by its initial statements; Quote: "Linux can give you're
old hardware a new lease of life" Kevan (Popey too I think) and I have
been using Linux for many years now we remember the days of frustration
getting that graphics card to work, the problem these days is we are the
forgotten pioneers, Linux has moved on, most recent distro's only run on
newish hardware for god sake openSUSE 11.1 requires 1GB of memory WTF is
all that about?
So you keep faffing about Kev if I get fed up with requests or boring
stuff there is a simple solution IGNORE THE THREAD works for me.
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2008/12/3 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
Just a quick one here. I'm going to attempt to write a few
articles for the
site and was wondering if anyone had anything in particular they would like
covered?
I'm currently beating my head against a wall with a video capture
device " kworld dvd maker2" S'posed to use em28xx but i grab
v4l-dvb-kernel and edit the mod list to my device ( it's not
supported in v4l as is. )
then the damn thing won't compile.
Stuart
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5:44 p.m.
My FYP is currently based around network storage protocols.. Maybe I can
do a write-up of my results if the University will let me (they deem my
project as their property, after-all.)
Similarly, I could actually finish my 'routeITX' project write-up on my
blog (ninjabadger.net) and submit that in some fashion.
But at the minute, Uni work is paramount.
Tom
stuart bell wrote:
2008/12/3 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
> Just a quick one here. I'm going to attempt to write a few articles for the
> site and was wondering if anyone had anything in particular they would like
> covered?
I'm currently beating my head against a wall with a video capture
device " kworld dvd maker2" S'posed to use em28xx but i grab
v4l-dvb-kernel and edit the mod list to my device ( it's not
supported in v4l as is. )
then the damn thing won't compile.
Stuart
> ~Jon
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2008/12/3 stuart bell <sailing1(a)gmail.com>:
2008/12/3 Jonothon Nihill <jonothon.nihill(a)gmail.com>:
> Just a quick one here. I'm going to attempt to write a few articles for the
> site and was wondering if anyone had anything in particular they would like
> covered?
I'm currently beating my head against a wall with a video capture
device " kworld dvd maker2" S'posed to use em28xx but i grab
v4l-dvb-kernel and edit the mod list to my device ( it's not
supported in v4l as is. )
then the damn thing won't compile.
I missed a bit, I meant to go on to say that WHEN I get it sorted an
article on video editing would be interesting.
Stuart
Stuart
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